Any lad with experience of working on them should be able to steer you in the right direction. I would install a pipe "tee" with a 3000 psi gauge into the high pressure line from the pump. we have just replaced the hydraulic pump and hydraulic cylinder and piston. "userInteractionCount": 8 No PC body, pipe or diaphragm are shown. I'm not the one to ask a lot of technical questions, but I'll try to help where I can. Having some problems with 3 pt. The action is to increase the load on a spring and valve inside the housing. The symptoms of a failed unit are a complete loss of drive. Hi, if you are able to get the lift arms to work properly there should be an adjustable stop bracket at the top of the quadrant slot. Want to check out our tractor maintenance videos? You will have full hydraulic pressure as expected in the Position Control quadrant. 1 2 Jan 2, 2014 / MF 165 1975 hydraulic problems #11 N namyessam Gold Member Joined Jul 4, 2012 Messages 316 Location guess where Tractor xyz powellj5 said: Also, there are hydraulic lines coming out of the circular plate where the lever is located and I see the port that you were talking about for a pressure gauge. well i pulled the side cover and noticed in lift mode that there is turbulence by the pump.
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MF 165 1975 hydraulic problems | Page 2 - TractorByNet Has to be a Hy-trans type of oil. "@type": "Person", John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. I think you will need to at least take a look through the side cover to see what is happeneing with the control valve (SAFETY FIRST DO NOT PUT YOUR HANDS INSIDE WHILST TRACTOR IS RUNNING). It does however raise a few questions with respect to a relief valve, which assume is fitted. The second image shows final adjustment being made. There are many different pressure specs depending on the tractor and options. This is a good description of the stripdown. The latest photos posted are of a tractor without PC. If the pump pressure is good it could be the plugged filter screen for the auxiliary pump. 500psi was enough to lift my concrete counterbalance! JavaScript is disabled. If you look at item 84 on the attached parts page that is the relief valve which screws into the upper right hand corner of the back plate of the pump. 2023 TractorByNet.com | TractorByNet is a registered trademark of IMC Digital Universe, Inc. Other trademarks on this page are the property of their respective owners. Thanks for your kind time and effort in helping me fix the problem. regards Barry. connected to it. I need a special tool for this and its so tight between the loader bracket and the case that i just get too frustrated to accomplish this.
MF 165 and hydraulic problems - Yesterday's Tractors Hung 210 lbs of me on a 6' bar on the on e arm and it wouldn't even think of moving. hi all, i have an old massey 165 with a unusual problem with the hydraulics. Report to Moderator: I am a new owner/user of a MF265 tractor. For the hydraulic fluid, be sure to use Massey's Perma-tran fluid, or atleast a MF compatible fluid. It still lifts hard when cold and horrible when hot! }, You must log in or register to reply here.
(When in the POSITION CONTROL quadrant the spring remains fully compressed at its adjustment. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V. It's a common issue with them. can i lift the top of the housing off or is there an extra step somewhere. It sounds like you have one or more of your pump cylinders pulsating. hole thru center) , 2nd pic shows some type of arm, which I have no idea if anything attaches to it. "@id":"https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=mf&th=97598", 2/Once the moisture starts to boil off keep the fire small to moderate ,do not overheat as if the oil vapour should ignite it will only do so when it gets up to flash point and you should be nowhere near that. Even with a self made tool it took a lot of time and ingenuity to get it out. Any idea where I mightr find this filter? There should be a mesh screen inside the cover by your left heel. I borrowed a guage yesturday and although I did'nt have the right adaptor I managed to quickly measure the pressure at just over 2500 on constant pumping before spilling too much oil. The latest photos posted are of a tractor without PC. devonbrion1998 under the seat that bolts to the transmission housing and has the lift arms On my Mark 2 pump the pistons could go in two ways and the sides of the square box they are part of has champhered edges on one side . AN original MF service manual would be better, but they cost quite a bit more. I was having problems feeling around for the adjusting tube so I took some photo's. "@context":"https://schema.org", Plz help im not sure ? thanks again by the way this is driving me nuts, i cant stop thinking about it. You can change your cookie settings at any time. There may be some leakage past your DV but the bulk will escape past the seals/rings in the lift cylinder. and finally is the lift cylinder itself ever the cause of poor lift capacity and hopping or is it more likely the pump?? I started it up and when I raised the arms back up, there was a small "clunk" when they hit the top of their travel that I'm not used to hearing. "image": { The position of the barrel when the quadrant lever is fully lowered in the PC quadrant will give initial maximum pressure. Is it possible that a relief valve has been fitted to the original pump or would the pump have to have been changed as well? Those Scotch Yoke pumps are very forgiving about what oil is used, the early ones were recommended to be used with a straight SAE30 oil, then 10W30 universal, then 10W30 super universal and lately 10W40 STOU, (MF Power HC Plus 10W40). It takes far less than that to lift the empty linkage. "@type": "InteractionCounter", Please be aware of common safety steps--expressed, implied or not expressed. i have problems with my 175 massey ferguson & need some answers if possible #1 the lift arms stuck in up position after two days it leaked down but now it wont lift, my Massey 165 lift arms not responding right when i go to lift a plough it does not respond right away some times i have to put in gear and it lifts but takes a while to do so then when i what to lower the lift arms it drops down very fast is it my Hydraulic Lift Cylinder or what and theres a knocking noise when i lift the arms up too high, hello have massey furgusen 165 have 2300 pounds but bucket is supper slow were is set screw to speed up lift buck rolls quick just slow up and down and pumps good put tester on it, I have a 165 and the tpl will not lift at all and if I have them lifted by another means, they drop slowly, do the pump seals need replacing? Let us know. Usually either dirt in the system or a damaged control valve spring. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Each step is covered, from tra. AN original MF service manual would be better, but they cost quite a bit more. As for that valve I have no Idea, my 165 doesn't seem to have it. The next step is to have a look inside, but any tips on what to look for which would help to avoid removing the cover would be appreciated. There is no pressure to the multipower clutch in low. This site uses cookies. Bob i guess your right my posting was little misleading, the problem is with the rear lift, when it gets warm it does not lift a brush hog, I really have not tried anything else because I see no reason for this. "@type": "Organization", Our 165 can't lift as much as it used to either, and I think it's because the lift cylinder is leaking a little more than it should.
If you have questions about a procedure, parts or the order of the steps, you should ask! anyways, 3 pt. } All Massey's I've ever been around have done it, and it's normal for all of them. Worth it at times to have though. Jan 1, 2014 / MF 165 1975 hydraulic problems #1 P powellj5 New member Joined Jun 30, 2009 Messages 7 I own a 1975 MF 165 tractor that I have owned since 2009. j ai desacoupler mon 165 pour une reparation de brake et transmission apres remontage ya plus d hydraulique ne marche plus et la prise de pouvoir fonctionne elle quoi le probleme merci a l avnce, SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOUR HYDRO.
MF-165 three point hitch not working - Yesterday's Tractors Hydraulic pressure is supplied by one of the low pressure outlet ports of the Multi-power or auxillary pump at 250 psi minimum (to maintain this minimum pressure, a special valve is built-in to the outlet flow pipe in the Multi-power circuit). refitted and tested lift good now but the arm height position not working correctly. I removed the stand pipe, since mine has pressure control it has a steel block on it that i cant pull from the top so i got it out the side I am hoping it was the seal on the lower end, Also does anyone think that i have to adjust the hydraulics, i will replace both seals and reinstall the stand pipe and try again tomorrow. Worth it at times to have though. my 165 multipower has started to drop hydrolic arms at full throtle? which powers the rear wheels. There should be a mesh screen inside the cover by your left heel. Does the tractor have "Live PTO" (2-stage clutch) or "Independent PTO" which uses a hydraulic clutch? This will ensure that the system does not lock up with the potential risk of breaking the internal lifting cylinder. Hope that helps with your diagnosis. It is cylindrical, about 5/8 (16mm) in diameter and about 2 1/2 (60mm)in length. Please use the navigational links to explore our website. Had some time left so we thought we'd put the plows back on and plow one small field that was last to go. Non-PC tractors have a conventional relief valve screwed into the pump body.DavidP. Welcome Guest, Log in or Register: Author : ags1 05-03-2005 05:41:48. And it wouldn't hurt to have a helper available. } I have checked the fluid level and filled with about 2 gallons it was low I have removed the metal cover that looks to have housed a filter that must have been removed, I then reinstalled with out filter. The lift works and goes high enough to latch the pickup hitch.It does however raise a few questions with respect to a relief valve, which assume is fitted.The lift is not as strong as my MF155 which has the same back end so I was wondering if, as you said, some oil is leaking past the ram cylinder or the relief valve has a lower rating.I have heard of this being done and with your experience I'm assume you have also seen such a modification. Is it possible that a relief valve has been fitted to the original pump or would the pump have to have been changed as well? Next you need to remove the dowels which prevent the pump from rotating. We took the plows off and my uncle harrowed the one field with a springtooth drag to finish things off.
Massey Ferguson 165, Ebro 157 Hydraulics Problem. "height": 57 Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Suspecting the control spring adjustment I removed it to check. Thanks for the pictures. MF 5435, MF 165 You should probably invest in a service manual. It sounds as if your tractor is equipped with the 2 spool cross over remote valve and the loader is plugged into the remotes with its own valve. I'm not sure how the multi-power and 3 pt. When you go into the PRESSURE CONTROL part of the quadrant and cannot lower the lift arms, do you have any implement attached or just the empty arms. Remove the split pin, slide back the collar Mike. This was originally taken when the hyd cover was upside down. Hope this helps. Your information will *never* be shared or sold to a 3rd party. "@id":"https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=mf&th=144591", The IPTO system consists of a hydraulically actuated clutch, the enagament of which is controlled by a 3-position spool valve. I have deliberately printed the first picture upside down to make it easier to see the components. hello, Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Unsubscribe at any time. Next remove pto shaft. Probably here is as good a spot as any for this post but if it needs moving please do so. You will now need 2 people to lift the top cover off (or a pulley, engine Common symptoms are the need for high engine revs to get the tractor to lift and the normally smooth action of the lift arms becomes a shake or judder. Massey Ferguson 165, Ebro 157 Hydraulics Problem. The book says for a Selectamatic you have to break the tractor in two.
Massey Ferguson 165 MK2 Hydraulic Pump Problem/Issue The remote valve is the automatic detent type which means it returns to neutral when the pressure reaches a certain point. June 29th, 2008 at 12:06 am I think the adjustment was ok, but it wasn't a waste of time as I could fit a new rubber. The pto lever just slides in a groove on the gear, so it'll come right out. Are you having a problem with the loader or the 3 point hitch? When I first bought it I noticed a few problems in using the PTO (bush hogging), but it was not severe enough to do anything about it. This screen could be partially plugged and when going down hill the oil in the transmission flows to the front of the tractor. "publisher": { Remember it will free wheel with no engine breaking. TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. I have deliberately printed the first picture upside down to make it easier to see the components. that way I can get a good look in there. The problem now that. With the arms fully up, they are tight to the top, I can not lift them any further. I was able to hone the cylinders with a brake cylinder hone for the new rings. I hope MF. The water boiled off and the oil was perfect for reuse.
"image": { None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. My 135 also has pressure control and if I raise the drum mower and move the lever past constant pumping into pressure then it can be lowered, held or raised according to the pressure. Donovan from Wisconsin The multi-power being out isn't the best of things, as they can be expensive to fix, and it involves splitting the tractor. This is quite normal unless it is falling in less than 3 to 5 minutes. Timing Injection Pump Using Spill-Cut-Off Point. I think all tractors came with the slot. This pressure is around 1/6th of the available pressure. then give the shaft a sharp pull to remove it. Did you check the filter to see is there much dirt there or bits of steel or rubber, might help give a indication. Hope this helps. It's perfectly normal for it to drift after you shut the tractor off. A leaking oring, split in the stand pipe, worn/scratched lift cylinder etc. I hav a massey 165 and was lifting a heavy object wen I went to lift again it will not bucket is now on the ground and wen I try to lift now nothing happens, I removed one of the hyd lines to the lift circuit and tryed to lift no hyd fluid comes out so maybe main relief valve broken ?? Although I like things to be in order and origional, the tractor is mainly for the loader so it's not such a problem. The 3ph. There should be a mesh screen inside the cover by your left heel.
Adjust the nut until endfloat just disappears. Another thing is, without multi-power, if it's in low (most likely is) it won't hold back going down a hill. Any chance that the problem could be a clogged hydraulic filter? Or could it bee linkage binding up? sometimes it works fine and the next day its very slow.